Cool Viper Video 06.11.11

Dan Tucker · June 12, 2011, 08:36:10 AM

http://viper640.org/component/content/article/14-news/302-pro-with-a-gopro-goes-vipering

Drew Harper · June 12, 2011, 03:00:11 PM

VERY Cool....we need more!

Olaf Bleck · June 17, 2011, 11:56:54 PM

Nice tack at 0:57, Captain!

And what's up with 1:52? Hope Kay didn't need to alter course...

Dan Tucker · June 21, 2011, 09:41:45 PM

Quote from: Olaf Bleck on June 17, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
Nice tack at 0:57, Captain!

And what's up with 1:52? Hope Kay didn't need to alter course...

At 0:57, my jib trimmer was too busy playing with his camera to bother to tack the jib!

At 1:52, ask yourself about overlap, and who was actually fouled! ;)

Jay Harrell · June 21, 2011, 09:54:52 PM

Quote from: Dan Tucker on June 21, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
At 1:52, ask yourself about overlap, and who was actually fouled! ;)

Looked like to me that inside boat was also on starboard to Kay's port tack.

Olaf Bleck · June 21, 2011, 10:32:20 PM

Quote from: Dan Tucker on June 21, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: Olaf Bleck on June 17, 2011, 11:56:54 PM
Nice tack at 0:57, Captain!

And what's up with 1:52? Hope Kay didn't need to alter course...

At 0:57, my jib trimmer was too busy playing with his camera to bother to tack the jib!

At 1:52, ask yourself about overlap, and who was actually fouled! ;)

1:51: Sorry Cap'n, the frame by frame is pretty damning...! LOL Though admittedly it's a tough angle to judge. But... given the huge difference in boat speed and the 3 boat length circle (port/starboard irrelevant), I gotta make the call in Kay's favor and extrapolate that he'd been there quite a while.

Too funny what shows up in videos...

See you in Newport!

Dan Tucker · June 22, 2011, 03:55:10 PM

The P/S is not why he owed me room. You're mistaken in one key way... Kay was on port gybe approach for many boat lengths (10+?), I was on starboard/inside. Overlap was established by opposite gybe/angles AGES before we got to the zone (and maintained). His transom perpendicular was boat lengths behind me when we arrived at the zone. That part isn't on the video. I hit the mark as a result of him not giving room. I should have protested, but it was a Saturday club race, so I did a circle for hitting the mark and let the foul go. Next time I'll protest and not do the circle.

Very much like this diagram: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/uploads/249/OLAP1.gif but I (inside green) was even further ahead due to bigger gybe angles than depicted.

Jay Harrell · June 22, 2011, 04:12:43 PM

Given that diagram, you're owed room (including room to gybe) due to the overlap. But the port/starboard still matters - when the inside boat is ROW, the outside must also "keep clear" in addition to giving room, which means you should be able to sail your proper course around the mark, not just a minimal room rounding.

Right?

Dan Tucker · June 22, 2011, 05:11:41 PM

Quote from: Jay Harrell on June 22, 2011, 04:12:43 PM
Given that diagram, you're owed room (including room to gybe) due to the overlap. But the port/starboard still matters - when the inside boat is ROW, the outside must also "keep clear" in addition to giving room, which means you should be able to sail your proper course around the mark, not just a minimal room rounding.

Right?

Allright, now I've got to go look at a darned rulebook!

Rule 18 is so much fun.

Olaf Bleck · June 23, 2011, 11:38:35 AM

You know what they say: "Denial ain't a river in Egypt...!" LOL

Okay fine, if there was an overlap, then...

I'll second Jay's remark. On starboard you get mark room AND proper course, at least up until the time you jibe.

David Furna · June 23, 2011, 03:15:27 PM

See what ya get for making a cool video Dan?!....damn, your getting protested on an internet forum :-o

Dan Tucker · June 23, 2011, 09:40:13 PM

Quote from: David Furna on June 23, 2011, 03:15:27 PM
See what ya get for making a cool video Dan?!....damn, your getting protested on an internet forum :-o

Yeah, serves me right!