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For Sale => Wanted: Boats and Gear => Topic started by: Duncan MacKenzie on May 31, 2011, 11:02:24 PM

Title: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Duncan MacKenzie on May 31, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
I need your aluminum rig for my I-550 #172, I am located on the east coast of Florida, about ten minutes from I-95 close to Cocoa Beach. At present there are two masts I know of for sale, one in Georgia, and one in Boston, if anyone is traveling this way and would like to make some gas money transporting these rigs please post or email me at [email protected]


Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Olaf Bleck on May 31, 2011, 11:12:45 PM
I think Jeff Douglas has one, #42 or so.  Upstate New York.

Mine's sold.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Jay Harrell on June 01, 2011, 08:11:24 AM
And mine in Atlanta is the other one.  If anyone can help get it to Duncan, let us know.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Darren Gilbert on June 01, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
I have one for sale, but it's near Detroit Michigan if you know of anyone else with an I550 looking for a rig.  Sails can go with it too!

BTW, what's the going rate for a used tin rig right now?
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Jay Harrell on June 01, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
The median price seems to be about $500.  Sails would be an added cost or an added bonus, depending.  I have to think that full size Viper sails on a full size Viper mast on a boat a meter shorter would be a bit much, but then again, I'm not a boat designer either...
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Dave Nickerson on June 01, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
And I have one in eastern Connecticut, if you hear of any NE I-550 sailors looking for rig.  Have nice main and a so-so jib that could go with it...
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Matt Sole on June 01, 2011, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: Jay Harrell on June 01, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
The median price seems to be about $500.  Sails would be an added cost or an added bonus, depending.  I have to think that full size Viper sails on a full size Viper mast on a boat a meter shorter would be a bit much, but then again, I'm not a boat designer either...

Its easier to shorten a rig than lengthen it. A robust performance orientated rig is far more important than the exact length of it.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Duncan MacKenzie on June 01, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Wow, what great response , something good has got to come from this.  Some background on my 550. I finished it about a year ago and launched it with a old tapered Kenyon H spar. The sails, stock Melges 20 cast offs, the chute full sized, jib about 6" cut from the head, and about 10" cut from the main's head. We beat on this homemade double spreader rig with tons of roll outs, pin downs, wipeouts etc and really thought it was bulletproof. I bought a cover, some rigging and a couple of Viper sails from Ben, and the cover fits perfectly!! keel  sleeve and all. But, thinking my mast was impervious I sold the sails and rigging to a 550 guy in South Carolina who had purchased a viper mast, boy was I wrong. Tight reaching with the chute up we folded a spreader bracket, and over the rig went.
I'd really like to get my hands on a viper mainsail and rig, set this up in my boat, cut my chute down for the fractional spin hoist, and enjoy a bullet proof single spreader rig and just concentrate on sailing. The boat can easily take the sail area, its got a lot of wetted area, and beam to carry sailpower. Several in the class have spung for carbon rigs, but this is not my boat, as there rigs cost more than my entire investment in my 550. This boat is in its infancy, and hasent been tested and perfected like the Viper 640 was. If I can get your rig I will be sailing it and posting  photos on the 550 site
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Darren Gilbert on June 02, 2011, 09:16:04 AM
Duncan,

Thanks for all the great information.  It's too bad we weren't closer or we could possibly cut a deal on the tin rig.

Do you know if there's any i550's in the Ontario/Michigan/Ohio area?  I would really like to find a home for this rig so it doesn't sit in my garage any longer.

Cheers!
Darren
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Matt Sole on June 02, 2011, 11:03:47 AM
uship.com is a great way to send stuff like this around the country. Some one heading south could easily add this to their load for no expense.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Duncan MacKenzie on June 02, 2011, 11:11:33 PM
They have sold well over 300 plan sets of the I 550 at least half in the US. There are dozens being built in garages all over, and lots of these guys might just be cheap and thrifty like me. Gas being four bucks a gallon it seems a waste to spend twice plus what you guys want for a rig in fuel just to get it.

Jays rig is the closest - would anyone be willing to part just with a mainsail?   
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Greg Jackson on June 03, 2011, 04:06:44 PM
Anybody want one in So Cal?

I can bring my old rig out with me at the end of the month when we are at Long Beach Race Week...

Greg
USA 46
heroin
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Tim Carter on June 03, 2011, 04:55:23 PM
bring it out Greg...  I can rig double traps on it for s**ts & giggles...

there are about 6 i550 builds in the area also..
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Olaf Bleck on June 04, 2011, 03:47:04 AM
I got a AL rig in the Bay Area, in great condition.  Off of #24.

Make offer.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Peter Beardsley on June 04, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
So what I'm hearing is that there may be a lot of demand for tin rigs now that there are a bunch of i550s coming around, and you want a virtually free one despite there being limited supply and limited means of delivery.  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Jay Harrell on June 04, 2011, 10:19:00 AM
Quote from: Peter Beardsley on June 04, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
So what I'm hearing is that there may be a lot of demand for tin rigs now that there are a bunch of i550s coming around, and you want a virtually free one despite there being limited supply and limited means of delivery.  Am I missing something?

I think Duncan is just complaining about the cost of gas and the distance involved.  Certainly can't blame him for that.  It's 490 miles from his house to mine - 980 miles round trip is $200 to $300 of gasoline.  He's not asking for a free mast, just hoping for some free transportation if someone happens to be going his way.  After all, if you're going his way, the marginal cost of carrying a mast is pretty small.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Matt Sole on June 04, 2011, 06:18:38 PM
What would be a fair price for a used tin rig? $1000? New one must be over $3000 may be $3500?

I would at least want to be able to buy a new sail for parting with the rig.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Ben Steinberg on June 04, 2011, 07:06:49 PM
It's not worth anything hanging in the garage.  It's only worth what someone is willing to pay.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Matt Sole on June 04, 2011, 11:23:27 PM
Maybe I am the stubborn type but I would rather see it hang in the garage than let some one get it for a song, especially if I had just paid four grand for a new rig. There are a ton of i550's being built, so I would hang on until someone is willing to pay the right price.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Tim Carter on June 05, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
I am not sure what the right price is, probably 1k at most for a bare used tube.  But I do think there is some value in helping someone achieve his dreams of sailing a boat they built themselves..  just sayin...
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Matt Sole on June 06, 2011, 01:51:16 AM
Well I assume you would sell the rig with its spreaders, shrouds and turn buckles.

I will give someone a lot of time to achieve the dream but they still have to cough up some cash to get parts off me. A grand is pretty dam cheap for a working rig.
Title: Re: wanted your tin rig
Post by: Tim Carter on June 06, 2011, 03:04:32 AM
I am sure all they could use is the tube, different rigging geometry and spreader length.  I would use new wire, possibly salvage the turnbuckles.