I was the second boat to register beaten by a M24.
Can we as a class please be proactive about this and get entries sorted out early and in great Numbers.
94 has registered. Was shocked at the entry fee as posted on Yachtscoring so I checked the preliminary NOR. $450 on Yachscoring, $325 in the NOR. $325 was the cost of the Miami event. I'll confirm that the $325 is correct and get the online entry changed.
4 entries currently.
Quote from: Jonathan Nye on March 20, 2011, 10:05:01 AM
94 has registered. Was shocked at the entry fee as posted on Yachtscoring so I checked the preliminary NOR. $450 on Yachscoring, $325 in the NOR. $325 was the cost of the Miami event. I'll confirm that the $325 is correct and get the online entry changed.
Yeah, that stole my breath too, so I opted not to pay yet. Seems exorbitant for three days of sailing. $325 I can swallow, but more than that and you have to start wondering if it's about the money, vis-a-vis Key West for around $800-$900+. Aren't Bacardi and EFG picking up enough of the tab? Newport Coastal Living was only $130, and BBR is $190 for PHRF (less for one-design, but I did get 8 hats last year...)
Just my 2 bits.
Now 5 Vipers to 1 M24. Entry fee for Vipes is $325 until June 7.
Get on it folks!!
It appears that the price on yachtscoring has been corrected to reflect $325. (unless I read wrong yesterday...)
Reg Link:
http://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=474
Quote from: Olaf Bleck on March 20, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
It appears that the price on yachtscoring has been corrected to reflect $325. (unless I read wrong yesterday...)
Reg Link:
http://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=474
Yes... Got confirmation from the organizers and yachtscoring that the entry is $325 and that it's been fixed.
Jonathan
WOW $325 for 3 days of racing. This seems really high to me... The entry fee for the 2011 North American will be $175 and this includes meals and a bunch of drinks.
Brad
Quote from: Brad Boston on March 21, 2011, 02:27:40 PM
WOW $325 for 3 days of racing. This seems really high to me... The entry fee for the 2011 North American will be $175 and this includes meals and a bunch of drinks.
I think that's the unfortunate difference between a yacht club based, volunteer organized regatta, vs. for-profit race management at a not-free facility... CRW is about the same.
Quote from: Brad Boston on March 21, 2011, 02:27:40 PM
WOW $325 for 3 days of racing. This seems really high to me... The entry fee for the 2011 North American will be $175 and this includes meals and a bunch of drinks.
Brad
Great job Brad, and we LOVE you for it! The guys at Mardi Gras Race Week did this too - $60 for racing and snacks (real meals extra)
Second that Brad, the 150.00 your going to save me on our entry fee alone will go a long way toward covering my fuel cost. And we're in for some food and drinks @ that?
Good on ya and whomever else is working so hard up there. Cant wait!!
Quote from: Jeff Jones on March 21, 2011, 03:47:37 PM
Second that Brad, the 150.00 your going to save me on our entry fee alone will go a long way toward covering my fuel cost. And we're in for some food and drinks @ that?
Good on ya and whomever else is working so hard up there. Cant wait!!
Ditto
Quote from: Olaf Bleck on March 21, 2011, 02:54:50 PM
Quote from: Brad Boston on March 21, 2011, 02:27:40 PM
WOW $325 for 3 days of racing. This seems really high to me... The entry fee for the 2011 North American will be $175 and this includes meals and a bunch of drinks.
I think that's the unfortunate difference between a yacht club based, volunteer organized regatta, vs. for-profit race management at a not-free facility... CRW is about the same.
Absolutely right.
This will be a rather different event experience than the Coastal Living Newport Regatta. I didn't think twice about the entry fee for Bacardi in Miami, which was the same. I can afford a couple of bigger budget regattas a year, but I'm personally VERY grateful that the NA's are going to be more affordable!
your forgetting something...
the Bacardi girls will be there, thats where these hiddin costs go
We have French and Romanian Girls here...
So what your saying is, if your not careful sarnia could be a very expensive regatta. ;-)
Quote from: Brad Boston on March 22, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
We have French and Romanian Girls here...
Regatta Costs:-
The NAs are going to be a hell of a deal.
Efg is contributing at least $50 per boat towards party to help with that.
Newport is more expensive. The Coastal Living Regatta is going to come in at around $210, but that does not include booze, which will be gratis at Bacardi but......if not free at Bacardi then where?
The advantage of hosting an NAs at a club is that the facility is provided by the club's generous members. At somewhere like Newport, the facilities need a rent check (But sail Newport is a good cause) and there is cost of erecting tent etc.
I've had to run a few large regattas in the past couple of years at a yacht club. Even when there are facilities, the costs go something like this (assuming that the setup will be in line with Miami):
- Tent (renting it, setting it up, taking it down, can be as much as $5k)
- Meals (at Miami, they had two dinners that were fairly good, along with miscellaneous appetizers on the other nights)
- Drinks (at cost for Bacardi, but it still costs them something)
- Entertainment (Bacardi girls don't work for free)
- Trophies
- PRO (Bacardi isn't a YC, so odds are that they are hiring someone and paying expenses of the RC team and a jury) -- related to this is that they may have to pay expenses for RC boats at minimum, if not rental fees for privately owned boats if they are not donated for the week
In the meantime, we have 3 new boats from Larchmont YC registered for Newport today, with a fourth to sign up in an hour or two. Let's get more teams to sign up early to build momentum.
Quote from: Peter Beardsley on March 23, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
I've had to run a few large regattas in the past couple of years at a yacht club. Even when there are facilities, the costs go something like this (assuming that the setup will be in line with Miami):
- Tent (renting it, setting it up, taking it down, can be as much as $5k)
- Meals (at Miami, they had two dinners that were fairly good, along with miscellaneous appetizers on the other nights)
- Drinks (at cost for Bacardi, but it still costs them something)
- Entertainment (Bacardi girls don't work for free)
- Trophies
- PRO (Bacardi isn't a YC, so odds are that they are hiring someone and paying expenses of the RC team and a jury) -- related to this is that they may have to pay expenses for RC boats at minimum, if not rental fees for privately owned boats if they are not donated for the week
It makes sense that all that costs, but how does Newport Coastal Living for example, charge $170 for basically the same thing without drinks ($3 ea I think it was?), while Bacardi is $325 and up? Are we drinking $155 worth of drinks? Maybe... but at $3... well..., let's bust say one of my crew was pretty entertaining.
Or, Coastal Living ponied up a lot more than Bacardi, but that'd I'd find hard to believe. Anyway, it's all good.
Point being, I need a few more cash cows to pay for all this fun...!
This could also be the difference in regatta management. Miami was my first experience with Bacardi, but I know that at Coastal Living, Coastal Living is a title sponsor but isn't doing much in the way of regatta management. The regatta is hosted at SailNewport, using SailNewport facilities, SailNewport crashboats, SailNewport finds volunteer RC, etc. SailNewport doesn't have to charge itself for these things.
However, SailNewport might charge someone else something for these things, like Bacardi, who will be coming in and using SailNewport facilities, possibly boats, etc. Also, there's whatever StudioMilano charges for its regatta management services. And of course, it's unlikely they are trying to run this as a break-even event. Bacardi and EFG may be sponsoring, but if SailNewport/StudioMilano can make a little money to fund future events, great. And since this is a new event, it's possible the initial budget is off so some cushion was created in case turnout suffered.
Not trying to be a shill for any of them, but having had to run events on a break-even basis at a club where it can be on the expensive side to host a regatta, I didn't think the entry fee was totally out of line. There are definitely going to be places in the world where it is cheaper to run an event, and clubs that require less setup or who charge less for various things, esp. if you can bring in outside food/beer, etc.
I'm all for people doing work getting paid for it. I run an events company myself. It happens to be in dancing, but nevertheless, we don't work for free. Obviously if someone is doing an event with volunteers, the costs are a lot less but the people volunteering get some personal satisfaction from donating their time.
Anyway, it's going to get expensive if the typical cost of a regatta runs $300+. Professional regatta organizers need to recognize this and pull the dollars from their sponsors, not the participants. The participants are already ponying up heavily by the mere fact that they're there: boat, transport, sails, lodging, crew costs, etc.
Between Miami, CRW, and Newport, I've already shelled out a grand just for entry fees for the first three regattas of the season. What, about $50 per starting gun? Never mind the other costs...! gotta love sailing :-)
Racing in Newport is expensive all the way around. Starting with the 5 state toll booth ripoff just to get there.
Great place to sail and race, but nothing cheap about it.
Quote from: David Furna on March 23, 2011, 04:40:34 PM
Racing in Newport is expensive all the way around. Starting with the 5 state toll booth ripoff just to get there.
Great place to sail and race, but nothing cheap about it.
No doubt, but that still doesn't explain why Coastal Living was $170 vs Bacardi for $325+ at the same venue, what, two weeks earlier? Itd' be interesting to compare the regatta's respective budgets.
Going out now to get fertilizer for the money tree.
Coastal Living is a 2 day regatta, the first day they make you race around a big anchored container ship and the 2nd day they race you through a mooring field in shallow water......
It will be interesting to hear the feedback after the race. With 180 boats racing in Charleston Harbor, I may still be waiting at the ramp to take my boat out in June!
The viper 640 fast, fun..... Affordable?
Brad... Someone said something about new docks being added to support our na's.
I hope that BNSW has a different feel to Coastal Living. I am sure that the event will be a lot slicker than the Coastal Living one which felt a little parochial last year. If Coastal Living was a 3 day event the cost would be $262. or an extra $63 I think studio Milano will do a great job.
There was three night of parties at Coastal. Some fleets I think to race 3 days.
Anyway, looking forward to a good time.
Anyone got a lead on a big house we can rent?
Quote from: Jeff Jones on March 23, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
The viper 640 fast, fun..... Affordable?
Brad... Someone said something about new docks being added to support our na's.
Yes our club has agreed to put in some new floating docks to make the Viper more comfortable docking. Our club owns a spile driver so it is not to hard to do.
Now up to 13 Vipers. 4 of the 5 Larchmont YC Vipers registered. Owner of #5 won't be back in the States until July 1 so he's out. Let's see everyone else sign up.
Quote from: Brad Boston on March 24, 2011, 08:52:55 AMour club has agreed to put in some new floating docks to make the Viper more comfortable docking. Our club owns a pile driver so it is not to hard to do.
How many clubs can say THAT? I'm going to love a club like that, I can't wait to get to Sarnia!!
I'm also looking forward to Coastal Living (a long -time favorite of my J/24 past), and Bacardi Newport - I'm excited about the diversity of regatta styles like this. As someone who's been involved with the Viper class for a few years, it's sort of entertaining and gratifying to hear a discussion like this. Not long ago we were thrilled to get 12-15 boats in one place at the same time under ANY circumstances!
It's all good.
Less than a month away, time to gear the thread back up. 20 Vipers signed up. Roll call on who is registered already:
Newport: 4 out of 10 (get those new guys signed up!)
Marblehead: 5 out of __ (12?)
Western CT: 4 out of 12 (missing a bunch of regulars, including Goodrich, Parkin, McNamara, Bainton, among others)
Larchmont: 4 out of 5 (guy who is missing won't be back in the States until July 1)
Eastern CT: 3 out of 4
A few more Newport guys, another M'header or two, a couple of Western CT guy, maybe a few good natured Canadians and Michiganders and we have ourselves a 30+ boat regatta.
Now up to 22 boats with the addition of Parkin and Schwartz.
Newport: 4 out of 10 (get those new guys signed up!)
Marblehead: 6 out of __ (12?)
Western CT: 5 out of 12
Larchmont: 4 out of 5 (guy who is missing won't be back in the States until July 1)
Eastern CT: 3 out of 4
Have those Newport boats been delivered yet? Any Canadians or southerners want to come over to make this a 30+ boat regatta?
GBR 123 is in
:)
looks like out boat won't make it. Not sure on the rest of the fleet, but I only saw three other vipers in the lot and sail Newport this weekend, but maybe some were at larchmont?
Fer de Lance makes the first "really out of towner" to sign up -- 23 entries and counting.
Boats who are signed up for the Pan American Series but who are not signed up for ACCs, and who didn't do Miami, and who are located within a 10-hour drive of Newport (reminder that you really need to do at least 2 of the 3 regattas in order to qualify, and Miami has already happened) -- I suspect/hope that many of these boats will sign up soon now that the entries are on the upswing and people are focusing on the next big event post Wickford/Larchmont: (boats who have known good excuses are omitted)
Boats who are within 30 minutes and who should really sign up
110: Jeb Peacock
158: Malcolm Gefter
Boats who are within 4 hours or less who can hopefully play hooky from work for a day to make it happen:
86: Doug Mroz
95: Holden/Delany
98: VanValkenburgh (dude, where are you?)
Road warriors who are a farther drive but who would drink free all weekend if they made the trip:
19: Jay Harrell (I just got the 25-day forecast from my meteorologist, and they say it's going to be at least 30 degrees cooler and a lot less humid in Newport than Atlanta that weekend -- those guys do incredible work)
55: David Furna (see Harrell, Jay)
57: Kelly Bechard (may get a hall pass for already making one east coast trip this month)
43: Steve Conger (see Bechard, Kelly)
70: Team Rowlinson
116: Canadian charter?
117: Harvey Barnes
119: 'Dem Jackpot boys
Other people who aren't signed up yet for the Pan American Series but who will hopefully surface soon:
New Newport boats (will these be ready yet?): Lotz, Jacobsen, Allen
Marbleheaders: Goedkoop (one of his college teammates is my co-owner, we'll have to see if this creates travel motivation), Canton, others?
I know there are other lurkers out there who are within a few hours driving distance...
Quote from: Peter Beardsley on June 01, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
19: Jay Harrell (I just got the 25-day forecast from my meteorologist, and they say it's going to be at least 30 degrees cooler and a lot less humid in Newport than Atlanta that weekend -- those guys do incredible work)
I'm sure that forecast is about right. But it's still over 2100 miles round trip. Ouch! Only 1600 miles back and forth to Sarnia... saving my hall passes for that one.
I have two Newport boats, one LYC boat and a cCanadian boat in my shop for pick up. Outside shot at Jacobson and Dougherty boats being here on time. Leaving the UK next week I believe.
Is that Chuck Allen and Phil Lotz boats?
Five days left to register, deadline is June 7th.
Quote from: Dan Tucker on June 02, 2011, 11:25:11 AM
Five days left to register, deadline is June 7th.
Pre late fee at least -- extra $100 after June 7. But the fence sitters definitely need to get entries in.
Now up to 25 boats apparently:
Newport: 6 out of 10
Marblehead: 6 out of __ (12?)
Western CT: 5 out of 12
Larchmont: 4 out of 5
Eastern CT: 3 out of 4
Plus 'dem Jackpot boys from Hazzard County and the Fer de Lancers.
This regatta does also conflict with Block Island Race Week.
Quite a few people will be doing that instead. It was not a particularly good idea to put this at the same time as one of the biggest regattas in the north east.
Now up to 27 boats just before the late fee kicks in...can we hit 30? Goedkoop must have gotten his trailer fixed fast. Marblehead fleet takes the lead on participation.
Newport: 6 out of 10
Marblehead: 7 out of __ (12?)
Western CT: 5 out of 12
Larchmont: 4 out of 5
Eastern CT: 3 out of 4
Plus 'dem Jackpot boys from Hazzard County and the Fer de Lancers.
Sure hope a couple of those Swan 42 Newport guys hurry back from Block Island Race Week to at least race Saturday/Sunday, even if they end up missing Friday.
Quote from: Peter Beardsley on June 01, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
Fer de Lance makes the first "really out of towner" to sign up -- 23 entries and counting.
Road warriors who are a farther drive but who would drink free all weekend if they made the trip:
19: Jay Harrell (I just got the 25-day forecast from my meteorologist, and they say it's going to be at least 30 degrees cooler and a lot less humid in Newport than Atlanta that weekend -- those guys do incredible work)
55: David Furna (see Harrell, Jay)
57: Kelly Bechard (may get a hall pass for already making one east coast trip this month)
43: Steve Conger (see Bechard, Kelly)
70: Team Rowlinson
116: Canadian charter?
117: Harvey Barnes
119: 'Dem Jackpot boys
Other people who aren't signed up yet for the Pan American Series but who will hopefully surface soon:
Team Rowlinson regrets--we booked Marblehead with spouses and work before Bacardi came on board--so Marblehead is where we'll be & hope to see lots of boats from CT-RI-MA-NH there. This looks like an awesome regatta though--another year.
Just in case you haven't seen what you're racing for....TADA...here's the EFG ACC Trophy !
Big Kudos to Tim Carter (Southern Cal Rep), Justin Scott and EFG for their support!
Kick Some Ass boys and Girls !!!
This is happening this weekend. 27 boats -- any chance that we see a couple more entries? Weather forecast looks ok -- looking forward to seeing some SIs on Yacht Scoring. Anyone know how the circles will be organized? I assume that the Melges 20s and 24s will be in their own area like Miami -- does that mean that we'll have an overly crowded Viper circle? Hope not.
The official "program" shows courses for the viper and j24 grouped together, maybe we are sharing a circle. Besides that all I know is that the hospitality tent opens up at 3 on thursday. See yall there!
Quote from: Ben Steinberg on June 20, 2011, 07:53:12 PM
Besides that all I know is that the hospitality tent opens up at 3 on thursday. See yall there!
You bet ya!
(I'm looking for a third BTW)
There are no J24's at this regatta.
It looks like we will be sharing a course with the star fleet.
After talking with race management, it is more about finding a good partner for the star fleet more than anything else.
One thing that is nice, is that our race area will just north of Fort Adams near the harbour entrance, so no drifting races to the race area like last years Living Coastal regatta.
Have fun guys, but 55 will have to stay down South for this one. Saving that gas money for Sarnia like Jay.
Hey Guy's
Jackpot will be there sailing Thursday afternoon if anyone would like to sail against us and tune us up. Can't wait to get out on the Viper again it's been to long since Charleston....
See you there.
119
Brad Boston
Eric Vigrass
Where's everyone staying? Chuck Allen said to look in Middleton at the hotels there. Anyone in there already?
We are at the Travelodge in Middletown. It was $80 a night. Best deal I could find.
Brad
We're at the hojo's in Middletown - think it was $100/night
Now up to 28 entries with the Bliksem entry. Forecast looks raceable all 3 days, with Saturday maybe being the best of the bunch.
Newport: 7 out of 10
Marblehead: 7 out of __ (12?)
Western CT: 5 out of 12
Larchmont: 4 out of 5
Eastern CT: 3 out of 4
Plus 'dem Jackpot boys from Hazzard County and the Fer de Lancers.
Mambo Kings will be there. With or without crew!!!!!
Please remember to sign up for the EFG Pan Am circuit to qualify for the Atlantic Coast champs .
http://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=471
There are still some boats signed up for racing this weekend at Bacardi who have not signed up for Pan Ams/Atlantic Coasts . Puhlease dont make me have to do it manually. It is so much easire for you to do a couple of key strokes, since it transfers your data automatically from the original entry for Bacardi.
Glad to report Mambo Kings will be there WITH crew. Rain and thunderstorms will not keep us from the Rum tent.
Good to see all the usual drunks.
Wow, EFG can run a good party!!! Can't wait till tomorrow.....
Quote from: Brad Boston on June 23, 2011, 10:23:52 PM
Wow, EFG can run a good party!!! Can't wait till tomorrow.....
I hope you left some for us tomorrow.
Mambo Kings just checked into the HoJos. Lot of Viper logos (and one Viper) in the parking lot.
This exchange between West and East Coast might be useful:-
From: Scott Justin [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:25 PM
To: '
[email protected]'
Cc: 'drew harper'; Subject: RE: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
Seems to be going well here.
The key is to clean salt off the sail. Way to do this is to get sponge soaked in fresh water and a plastic beaker of rum. Take the sponge and wipe sail, then drink the rum from the beaker. Clean sponge and refill beaker .Repeat until spot where you are going to put logo on sail is clean. If in doubt use more than 1 beaker per sponge.
Came out great:
?FGE Bank Vipre 460 Pam Anerican Chimpaonshits?
From:
[email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 5:18 PM
To: Scott Justin
Subject: Re: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
They do stick fine on mylar.. Suggestion, get a flat table and pull the backing off as one piece. Then drop the whole applique as one unit, then peel the top...
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From: Scott Justin <
[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:19:02 -0400
To: <
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
What is Dacron? These are for sails not your boxer shorts.
From:
[email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:58 PM
To: Scott Justin
Subject: Re: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
And the vinyl letters do not seem to stick to dacron very well... Mabye I just stressed... :)
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From: Scott Justin <
[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:19:32 -0400
To: <
[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
I don?t get there until tonight.
Is it bad?
From:
[email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 3:06 PM
To: Scott Justin
Subject: Re: Viper 640 ACC and PCC update
How is your vinyl project going???? Dacron is a major problem and the transfer paper is for shit...
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Denatured alcohol is best for cleaning the sails. It gives a cleaner surface finish than water removing more salt and does not damage mylar. This is the ONLY product other than water to use on sails.
Salt is not the real issue, just drying the sails after yesterdays downpour!