Re: Vintage boats

Jeff Jones · February 02, 2011, 05:05:05 PM

Sure Matt, i'll bring it to Sarnia - or any other major regatta's i can get to this year.

Anyone is welcome to use it.

I checked 129 (my new Rondar) and 31 (old Bennett i just brought back from Arizona to refurbish). The hulls checked in less than 10lbs apart, the bennett still had a little H20 in it while the Rondar was bone dry. Keels were within 2lbs.

When i did the math in my head - added mast, boom, rudder, gnav etc - both should be very close to class min.

Justin Scott · February 02, 2011, 07:18:58 PM

Quote from: Paul Zimmerman on February 01, 2011, 11:20:34 AM
OLaf did the bulb conversion on #56 at Miami last year. One all nighter with beer and some drunken Viper sailors. He is quite capable.

A lot of people question my technical and epoxy capabilities, but that night I played a contributory role , holding the beer and passing sandpaper.

Barry Bailey · February 03, 2011, 12:03:06 AM

You guys should try to borrow some race car scales. http://www.intercomp-racing.com/ We used them to corner weight our cars, back when I raced, and we believed them to be accurate to the pound. I have a buddy who still has his and could make them available to the Texas fleet the next time you guys are in Houston. It does seem that we are out of town at a J24 regatta every time you guys come to Houston, however.

Barry

Baileyrace at gmail

Chris Shaughnessy · February 05, 2011, 07:57:38 PM

Nice to know what your boat weighs but you might want consider keeping the individual results for owners eyes only.
We had a load cell hooked up to the hoist at out club a few years ago and a bunch of boats took advantage of it - unfortunately caused all kinds of accusations about cheater ratings etc. Folks seemed a lot more interested in what other peoples boats weighed.
Heard at least one owner later saying he wished he had never weighed the damn thing.
Just sayin...

Jeff Jones · February 05, 2011, 08:12:47 PM

Chris, you bring up a good point.

Curious, by your post I assume there were boats that came in less than the class min?

Tim Carter · February 05, 2011, 11:16:14 PM

I think the information is important and everybody needs to know. There may come a time at a N.A. that all the boats are measured... Especialy if we ever have the luxury of multiple builders or build locations.

There may also be a need to have a class approved method of adding corrector weights if boats are light..

Olaf Bleck · February 06, 2011, 09:09:36 AM

I don't think it necessarily needs to be public knowledge what each boat weighs, but it's well known that these boats were built with different methods, materials, designs, etc and some are definitely heavy. So it would be good just to know where you sit in comparison. All else being equal, if a boat's 100# heavy, that's just not fair.

It is supposed to be OD after all.

Moreover, if one has a light boat, it's technically the responsibility of the skipper to bring some weight even if there isn't a weigh in. Cheaters never prosper, but you can't not cheat if you don't know you are.

Chris Shaughnessy · February 06, 2011, 04:11:19 PM

Sorry guys, should have been more clear I was not talking about Vipers getting weighed - just saying things can get very contentious in a hurry - expect talk of corrector weights to follow...

Paul Zimmerman · February 06, 2011, 05:43:38 PM

I have yet to see a boat that was underweight.

Pat Gibson · February 06, 2011, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on February 01, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: Olaf Bleck on February 01, 2011, 12:13:54 AM
Quote from: Matt Rowlinson on January 31, 2011, 10:41:03 AM

mnn hm. We should weigh Grendel sometime--but light air has never been our problem.

It'd be great to get some scales at some of the larger events this year, just to see. I'm real curious. Either a load cell on a hoist, or truck scales (drive trailer with boat on, weigh, remove boat, weigh again).

I have a very Nice hanging load cell scale vie used to check a few boats. Id be happy to bring it to mgrw or crw.

jeff lets weigh the boats coming out of the container when it gets here to get a baseline with brand new boats

Matt Sole · February 08, 2011, 09:27:37 PM

Weighing boats right out of the trailer isn't really going to tell us much as the class is really interested in sailing weight not hull weight. In fact hull weight could be very misleading as there is no guarantee that all boats come out of the container in the same set up.
Set the boats up, go sailing, get the boats tricked out and then weigh them.
If you are worried about water, ten minutes with a sponge and half an hour in the sun is more than enough effort to get the boats factory dry.

If we want to talk about misleading info, we could look at the fact that a one year old boat could be perceptibly lighter due to the effects of off gassing, or wet sanding.

Go sailing and stop worrying about it. Oh and if you do think you have a light boat, throw in an extra 6 pack (preferably tall boys), far more useful than lead.

Tim Carter · February 08, 2011, 09:53:41 PM

Quote from: Matt Sole on February 08, 2011, 09:27:37 PM
Oh and if you do think you have a light boat, throw in an extra 6 pack (preferably tall boys), far more useful than lead.

+1
I wholeheartedly support Soley's recomendation of extra packs of tall boys. Sometimes it looks like I'm going for a full 22' of waterline... ;)

Then I slowly transfer the weight hydraulically from the cocpit cooler to off the transom...

Matt Sole · February 08, 2011, 09:57:01 PM

Yeah I think I need to get Narragansett beer to sponsor me....

Drew Harper · February 09, 2011, 11:43:28 AM

Quote from: Tim Carter on February 08, 2011, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: Matt Sole on February 08, 2011, 09:27:37 PM
Oh and if you do think you have a light boat, throw in an extra 6 pack (preferably tall boys), far more useful than lead.
+1
I wholeheartedly support Soley's recomendation of extra packs of tall boys. Sometimes it looks like I'm going for a full 22' of waterline... ;)

Then I slowly transfer the weight hydraulically from the cocpit cooler to off the transom...

That was F'N FUNNY Timbo....!