We have a new race ready charter boat available for the 2009 NA's.
It'll be there when you arrive.
Contact me at barnes_harvey (at) hotmail (dot) com if you are interested.
Quote from: HydroSpear on August 17, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
We have a new race ready charter boat available for the 2009 NA's.
It'll be there when you arrive.
Contact me at barnes_harvey (at) hotmail (dot) com if you are interested.
how much?
How much for this Harvey?
Team Spinnaker would like to compete but we're racing that big 44' sportboat the week before at Big Boat Series and the Sailing Anarchy Regatta in San Diego the week after. I might be biting off more than I can chew
The standard rate is $500/day + $50/day for insurance.
The boat(s) and sails are new and will be in Stanford. You can save a few buck if you bring your own sails.
If you're interested, email me. We can work something out.
(Boom, I sent you a PM via SA.)
H
The standard rate is $500 per day? You are on some serious drugs! Which is ok, and yes, I'd like some. But $500 per day? You're dreaming!
wow! that's steep. but convienience comes at a price. so much for the west coast being able to 'step up'. maybe $$drew$$ can be one of the west coast reps along with tony chapman. open your wallet drew!
good luck to all.
I work for sturgis, we charter 420's for $900 per 3 day regatta, this doesnt include sails or insurance. A viper is way more boat than a 420, what do you guys expect to pay?
THAT DEPENDS ON IF YOUR FLEET BUILDING OR WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY. I THINK ONE OF THE BOATS OUT WEST WENT FOR THAT FOR THE WHOLE REGATTA (3 DAYS)! LONG BEACH RACE WEEK. I GUESS WE'LL NEED TO SET OUR SIGHTS A LITTLE HIGHER IN THE FUTURE.
Quote from: Ben on August 19, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
I work for sturgis, we charter 420's for $900 per 3 day regatta, this doesnt include sails or insurance. A viper is way more boat than a 420, what do you guys expect to pay?
I've chartered brand new Finns for $200 per day, and in some regards, I'll say a Finn is just as much a boat as a Viper. I'm also chartering a Capri 25 for a large regatta in Minnesota... same $200 per day. Either I've been lucky, or someone's trying to make their house payment. But hey, never let profit get in the way of customer service, or, in this case, never let good ol' American greed get in the way of fleet building.
My rate for #33 for west coast events is $250 a day and I have paid the insurance for the year.
Call me whatever you like, but it's a shame when the boat sits on the sidelines.
Viperdad - @ 250.00 / day are you handing the client a brand new set of sails? What state is that boat in? Is it fully upgraded? If so then that's a hell of a deal!
Finnster - in no capacity is a Finn anywhere close to a brand new viper. And you should be flogged for even mentioning a "Capri 25" in the same sentence as a Viper 640!
The sails will devalue 500.00 after this regatta.. I dont think this boat's based in LIS so it's going to be a pain to get it there. I would say w/o question that there's no money to be made at 500.00/ day for a 3-day charter.
Try chartering a Melges 24 or similar "sport-boat" for a major regatta. Rates /day for KWRW would give you a stroke.
Quote from: Finnster on August 20, 2009, 01:34:55 AM
Quote from: Ben on August 19, 2009, 08:32:17 PM
I work for sturgis, we charter 420's for $900 per 3 day regatta, this doesnt include sails or insurance. A viper is way more boat than a 420, what do you guys expect to pay?
I've chartered brand new Finns for $200 per day, and in some regards, I'll say a Finn is just as much a boat as a Viper. I'm also chartering a Capri 25 for a large regatta in Minnesota... same $200 per day. Either I've been lucky, or someone's trying to make their house payment. But hey, never let profit get in the way of customer service, or, in this case, never let good ol' American greed get in the way of fleet building.
Hey, those that know me know I've done lots to help this class and build fleets. I loaned out my boat both in St. Pete's and in Miami. I've loaned my sails. Like many others, I've demo'd my boat countless times. I also flew on my own dime to Miami to shoot video (while someone else borrowed my boat) and I've spent many hours editing video. So don't come down on me about greed and getting in the way of fleet building!
We'll see what the market will bear over time but I can assure you we aren't doing this for greed or to make our mortgage payments. There are lots of costs involved. We offer a service that we hope will help sailing and the class. This may not be for everyone, but for some, it may be less cost and/or hassle then shipping their own boat to the NA's.
The bottom line is, there is a brand new boat available, delivered to Stamford for the NA's -- race ready including new sails. Anyone seriously interested can contact us. We'll work with you to make it happen.
Happy sailing!
H
Hydro is dead on for the rate. In fact the M20's and SB3's were $500 day for CRW. The M20's are chartering for $2000 for the M20 NA's. M24's typically charter at $750-$1000 day at major events.
There's no one I know that's done more for the classes he's been involved in than Hydro.
If I can manage the time, I'll pay the rate. The boat is BRAND new, has a BRAND new set of Hydes. All the benefits of a new boat without any of the detriments...on top of that I can assure you the boat will be in uber tune...
As I said, I have the Big Boat Series on the BAS (Big Ass Sportboat - See Attached) the week before and the SA Sportie Regatta the week after...but who knows.
Geez, do the math before you conclude this is so expensive; it's a $30k boat with new sails. The first $500 covers only the depreciation in the new sails. Transportation could easily eat up the rest -I've seen just under $1/mile quoted for transportation. Then I'm sure someone could do a present-value calculation over say 6 regattas per year for 10 years? And how about storage and maintenance costs?
Before long it starts to look like a good deal, particularly if you are coming from very far away.
"Finnster - in no capacity is a Finn anywhere close to a brand new viper. And you should be flogged for even mentioning a "Capri 25" in the same sentence as a Viper 640!"
I guess I'll stick with dinghy sailing... its much more affordable. Oh, yeah, and the 4 knot shitbox listed above.
Quote from: Jay Harrell on August 20, 2009, 02:04:29 PM
Geez, do the math before you conclude this is so expensive; it's a $30k boat with new sails. The first $500 covers only the depreciation in the new sails. Transportation could easily eat up the rest -I've seen just under $1/mile quoted for transportation. Then I'm sure someone could do a present-value calculation over say 6 regattas per year for 10 years? And how about storage and maintenance costs?
Before long it starts to look like one heck of a good deal, particularly if you are coming from very far away.
sorry mr. harrell if we offended anyone. just sticker shock i suppose. when we chartered catalina 37s (ones used in congressional cup) for long beach race week a few years back, those went for $350/day. so i guess there are just better bargains out west. we'll at least if/until the nat'l come out west. then i just may charter my boat out.
more power to ya if you get someone to charter the boat. sure would pay for some extra sails. so i get the point. you have your fleet built there and were in the process of building so we're coming in from 2 different avenues. it just makes it harder for us to go back and compete (airfare, hotel, transportation, food, charter, entry, and other expenses). i'm just, not a rich person with a family to support.
Ops, I didn't intend to sound offended. Not at all. I think the sticker shock is a pretty reasonable reaction - being a cheap dinghy sailor myself I had some shock too the first time I saw that number. It's too much for me personally to put up for a regatta - I just don't have that kind of money. Unfortunately though, after I thought about it some more, I decided it's not really an unreasonable figure for a new boat with new sails.
BTW, I'm in Georgia - our fleet isn't nearly "built" yet. Still plenty of work left to do here.
Quote from: GVH630 on August 20, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
sorry mr. harrell if we offended anyone. just sticker shock i suppose. when we chartered catalina 37s (ones used in congressional cup) for long beach race week a few years back, those went for $350/day. so i guess there are just better bargains out west. we'll at least if/until the nat'l come out west. then i just may charter my boat out.
more power to ya if you get someone to charter the boat. sure would pay for some extra sails. so i get the point. you have your fleet built there and were in the process of building so we're coming in from 2 different avenues. it just makes it harder for us to go back and compete (airfare, hotel, transportation, food, charter, entry, and other expenses). i'm just, not a rich person with a family to support.
I never claimed new sails or any of what has been said. From what I hear, my rate is a little on the low side.
Please note, from my position, I meant no offense-- and I didn't realize the boat brand spankin new.
So, if a charter boat for the NA's was, say, $150/day for 3 days and you brought your own sails, would any of you left coasters come and play?
Or was this more of a general commentary?
Quote from: US83 on August 23, 2009, 02:32:39 PM
So, if a charter boat for the NA's was, say, $150/day for 3 days and you brought your own sails, would any of you left coasters come and play?
Or was this more of a general commentary?
now that's an awesome deal! i was thinking $200-250 less sails is a good deal. but i just cancelled my vacation time last thursday and it was scooped up by someone else, so i'm out! dammit!
Just an FYI
I just put together a Melges 20 NA's team. The charter that we could have had was a private owned boat and the asking price was $1000/day. Which I believe is at the top end but not unreasonable.
Tac
I've been watching the discussion on charter fee's..... Been in the Etchells class for the last 10yrs, done a couple of worlds. The "usual" fee for a charter boat @ a worlds was ~ 1000-1200 US. This was for the entire regatta about 5 days, you are required to bring your own sails per class regs. I could argue that an Etchells is MUCH more boat than a Viper and collisions are pretty common.
I personaly think 500/ day for a 3 day regatta is on the high end, and I hope the comment of sail deprecation was somewhat tounge-in-cheek..... They last all year right ;)
And $1000/ day for a melgi is just stupid... Hell a "Happy Ending" by the Vivid girls every night of the regatta STILL would not be worth it. =:0
Reality Check.
Call up your local rental location and ask what you can rent a Catalina 22 for the day. Head to your local lake and rent a Laser...$25-30/hour.
Seriously, a CHERRY Viper, spanky new. This is a cheap deal.
Cherry J-24's were chartering for $500 day for the worlds. Melges 24's commonly charter for $1000 day. 32's for $2000.
Yeah, it'd be great to have it cost less but seriously. The f'n boat costs over 30 grand.
I've spent my life renting boats and the simple facts are most people view boat charters along the same lines as car rentals. They beat the shit out of them and think it's ok. One has to enter into a charter agreement with this in mind or they're nuts
OK, off my soapbox now. Carry on :-)
I'll chip in here.
As you all know I own two boats and I've lent them for regattas to help promote the growth of the class, and one time one of my boats was chartered .
The going rate for a subsidized charter at CRW and Miami for a new Viper was $1,500 + $100 insurance and the folks providing the boats were not doing it for the money. They were offering their boats to help the class, and it was widely regarded as a good deal. So much so that we had more folks looking for good boats than we had boats. Most owners of new boats with good sails were frankly not prepared to risk the hassle for $1,500. Rondar helped out by giving a few perks to those who provided boats.
A new Rondar boat with new sails attending a 3 day regatta with a one day practise is not going to be a dime below $2k unless you are lending it to a very good friend. And, speaking as the guy who has to beg for people to provide boats...I'm deeply appreciative of folks who charter new boats at that sort of level. The subsidized, factory owned equivalents in other classes are more money than that.
It a whole different story with older Performance boats without sails or with tired sails.
If anyone wants to do a budget charter, I can provide a couple of boats at $500 for the whole regatta. You pick up from owner - use the existing old sails or bring your own. These are genuinely available! Bring power tools.
Quote from: Justin on August 29, 2009, 12:54:06 PM
If anyone wants to do a budget charter, I can provide a couple of boats at $500 for the whole regatta. You pick up from owner - use the existing old sails or bring your own. These are genuinely available! Bring power tools.
That puts chartering into a good perspective doesn't it?
Justin - I thought the $500 a day charter fee we had at Coral Reef Cup last year was perfect. We didn't treat the boat like a rental, and went out and had a blast. Who knows what would have happened if we had brought new sails, not missed the skipper meeting, and didn't stay out at Mangoes all night... ;)
Any availability next Coral Reef Cup? Maybe for two Bermuda teams?
We'll have boats available for this regatta.
As it turned out, HydroSpear did charter a new boat. The guy, Barry Parkin, took third and more importantly is buying a boat and starting a new fleet at his club on WLIS.
I'd like to do the Coral Reef(er) but I gotta save up my $$ for Bacardi.