This stuff is VERY sliperry and much cheaper than McLube.
One application lasts pretty much for a season. You literally mop it on with your sail laid out on some clean Visqueen, hang to dry. Your kite will stay pretty dry even when doused repeatedly.
We have it in stock now.
Sells for $19.95 plus shipping (typical $5-8 depending on locale)
Here's the application guide
http://www.envere.com/SNG AP GUIDE.pdf#sng ap guide
Very cool stuff!
http://www.envere.com/SNG%20AP%20GUIDE.pdf#sng ap guide
Hey Boomslang, what's your web address so I can order some
db
Quote from: seamonkey on February 05, 2010, 06:48:23 PM
Hey Boomslang, what's your web address so I can order some
db
My number is 415-543-7333. I don't have a webstore yet. Working on it with the next generation sites. Won't be up until July.
I can take M/C or Visa over the phone.
Best to you . . . Drew
from holmenkol
http://www.holmenkol.com/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/SEALnGLIDE_user_manual.pdf
treated chute last week (and sock plus luff of Jib) then tested it out at Larchmont NOODs over weekend.
What a difference it made - speaking as the guy who does the hoists and douses, the reduction in friction was awesome, never been able to do a clean windward douse before but everything we tried came off smoothly. Even with waves breaking over the bow (and bunches of chute), the lack of friction against the sock means so much less effort to pull it in.
I treated my original gen-1 kite with it too and I would say I was happy with it.
BTW, didn't bother painting the stuff on. I just mixed it up in a home depot bucket, stuffed the whole kite in, and kneaded it around until evenly soaked. It soaked up pretty much the entire batch. Then hung up to dry. It was the small retail-sized package.
After having tons of difficulties with douses during CORK last month, we are interested in trying out the Holmenkol SNG product for the HPDO. Does anyone know if there is a local vendor nearby so we can apply this to our spin while we setup the boat next Friday?
Our local chandlery has never heard of this product line and they are usually pretty good about getting new products as soon as they are available in Canada.
Thanks.
I got if from jamestowndistributors.com
HOL-25200
SEALnGLIDE 100 ml
$39 plus shipping
You'd likely have it by the end of the week if you order it asap.
Just a suggestion. The small kit works if you put the sail in a bucket, mix the kit, pour it over, squish it around and hang to dry.
We sell small kit for $24.95 plus shipping. I send almost everything flatrate priority mail. Not sure if they send to Canada.
Quote from: Drew Harper on September 28, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
We sell small kit for $19.95 plus shipping. I send almost everything flatrate priority mail. Not sure if they send to Canada.
Drew, where do we go to order from you? Wish I'd known that before shelling out $39...!
Just call the office and they can take the order 415-543-7333.
I'll make sure to get it out the very next day.
Mixing in the bucket guys - do you adhere to the 500ml of water suggestion? It seems like a rather small amount when trying to get the whole kite wet in a bucket. That's the amount of water in a little water bottle. Does it hurt to use more?
Quote from: Robert Bernard on October 20, 2010, 05:11:04 PM
Mixing in the bucket guys - do you adhere to the 500ml of water suggestion? It seems like a rather small amount when trying to get the whole kite wet in a bucket. That's the amount of water in a little water bottle. Does it hurt to use more?
I used the bucket method and while it's ok, not nearly as good as the lay it out and wet the whole kite flat. Too many pocklets with too little material on it. I wouldn't change the dilution. I think it will make a big difference in longevity.
I'd suggest getting the bigger kit. You can just measure out the appropriate amount and save the rest for later or just get all your friends together and make an afternoon of doing all your kites.
Bigger kit is 100ml and $45 but is 4 times larger than the small kit at only double the price.
Here's a picture demonstrating proper Holmenkol technique
Quote from: Jeff Jones on October 29, 2010, 10:50:31 AM
Here's a picture demonstrating proper Holmenkol technique
No... Wrong kind of bucket. Use a Home Depot "Homer Pail"
I actually ended up using a big plastic tote. It worked perfectly, and you can use more water than they suggest, it just takes longer to dry out.
Quote from: Robert Bernard on October 29, 2010, 12:12:44 PM
I actually ended up using a big plastic tote. It worked perfectly, and you can use more water than they suggest, it just takes longer to dry out.
My guess (and it's just a guess) is that if you dilute it more it won't last as long. Just a hunch.
doubtful. the water is just the transport agent for the mixed chemicals. It completely evaporates away and leaves the chemicals in the spinnaker.
cool...thanks
I would add though that the initial mixing of the chemicals should take place in the correct proportions, but once thoroughly mixed adding more water shouldn't affect the chemical reaction, just dilution. But if you soak the spinnaker until all of the additional water you added is "in" the spinnaker, then all of the active chemicals are as well. Then you must wait for the water to evaporate.
I used the smaller package, but I think the bigger package is the better deal as well. In the future that is what I plan on using.
When we put this on out Melges 24 kites we lay it out flat. Then mix the stuff in a garden sprayer. This way we get an even coat, let it dry then flip and spray the other side. One note is make sure to rinse out the sprayer otherwise the head will get clogged.
just a note on the spray technique..the instructions (as I remember) STRONGLY recommend against this based on a safety factor. Inhaling the mixture can be very bad for you (don't want to coat your lungs (alveoli for the medically inclined) with the stuff). I would recommend using a mask if you do, coated lungs don't work so well
Just lookin out for my fellow viperers ;)
good point I did forget to say we wore masks!!! and don't take the mask off. Boy does that stuff smell bad
Quote from: Brian Janney on December 01, 2010, 02:47:03 PM
good point I did forget to say we wore masks!!! and don't take the mask off. Boy does that stuff smell bad
Yeah, but the buzz lasts for daze =p
Quote from: Jeff Jones on October 29, 2010, 10:50:31 AM
Here's a picture demonstrating proper Holmenkol technique
OUCH! Please don't let your sailmakers see that.
Quote from: Michael Stovall on December 14, 2010, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: Jeff Jones on October 29, 2010, 10:50:31 AM
Here's a picture demonstrating proper Holmenkol technique
OUCH! Please don't let your sailmakers see that.
you sailmaker says "chaching chaching" when they see that. Carry on.
So APS says Holmenkol not making sealnglide anymore.
Other suppliers just have it as backordered.
I grabbed a can from sailingproshop but they only had 2 more left as of Wednesday.
Anyone know whats up
or what else is out there to use ?
Thank you Drew and Spinnaker Sailing. I placed the order Monday over the phone and had the product in hand Thursday (in Florida too). Great service.
Any idea why they killed the product line? Is there a replacement on the horizon?
Quote from: Robert Bernard on July 28, 2011, 08:18:21 PM
Any idea why they killed the product line? Is there a replacement on the horizon?
They didn't sell enough of the product to warrant the production cost. We are scouring the planet for a replacement. Closest thing so far is a material to remove permeability of parasail wings.
The good news is I just bought 2000ml of the stuff in bulk. I will purchase some small plastic bottles and repackage it into 50ml and 100 ml sizes.
I suspect this will hold us over until either we can commission a short run production cycle from the patent holder or find a replacement.
Quote from: Craig Wilusz on July 28, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Thank you Drew and Spinnaker Sailing. I placed the order Monday over the phone and had the product in hand Thursday (in Florida too). Great service.
Thanks Craig. USPS has become a remarkably reliable fixed cost shipping solution.
your site up yet with a shop we can order from or are you still stuck in the 90s drew? ;)
Quote from: Ben Jacobsen on August 05, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
your site up yet with a shop we can order from or are you still stuck in the 90s drew? ;)
Yeah, sorry Ben. I'm old fashioned. I like to have folks call with credit card numbers. I've had two issues with my card numbers being stolen from sites that I've purchased from online. Didn't cost me any money but did cost a huge amount of time.
I apologize to everyone for us remaining in the 'old days.'
FWIW, I ask everyone turn off their cell phones as people board whichever charter boat I'm driving. I try to slow things down a bit underway explaining that as a good thing to do. Most are happy with the suggestion but there are some who tell me to GSY :-)))
you should do it via paypal, less hassles and lost card issues. But I understand.
Quote from: Drew Harper on July 22, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
We bought up the last of the Holmenkol. Have both 25 ml ($25) and 100 ($45) ml kits in stock. Shipping is $8 any where in the USA.
What's the scoop on getting this stuff over the border to Canada? It doesn't look like any of my in-country suppliers stock it.
Luke.
can this stuff travel by plane?
Quote from: Drew Harper on August 05, 2011, 11:32:48 AM
Quote from: Ben Jacobsen on August 05, 2011, 09:19:30 AM
your site up yet with a shop we can order from or are you still stuck in the 90s drew? ;)
Yeah, sorry Ben. I'm old fashioned. I like to have folks call with credit card numbers. I've had two issues with my card numbers being stolen from sites that I've purchased from online. Didn't cost me any money but did cost a huge amount of time.
I apologize to everyone for us remaining in the 'old days.'
FWIW, I ask everyone turn off their cell phones as people board whichever charter boat I'm driving. I try to slow things down a bit underway explaining that as a good thing to do. Most are happy with the suggestion but there are some who tell me to GSY :-)))
HTFU Drew, I send my bank details every couple of months to nigeria , loads of get rich quick schemes with these guys.
So does one 25ml bottle do one kite?
Quote from: Luke Porter on August 07, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
Quote from: Drew Harper on July 22, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
We bought up the last of the Holmenkol. Have both 25 ml ($25) and 100 ($45) ml kits in stock. Shipping is $8 any where in the USA.
What's the scoop on getting this stuff over the border to Canada? It doesn't look like any of my in-country suppliers stock it.
Luke.
Hi Luke. I have no idea. We typically ship it via USPS so I don't imagine there's much issue...but I really don't know.
Quote from: Matt Sole on August 08, 2011, 01:51:09 AM
HTFU Drew, I send my bank details every couple of months to nigeria , loads of get rich quick schemes with these guys.
So does one 25ml bottle do one kite?
I make millions weekly the very same way ;-)
Yes Matt. 25ml kit works fine. I suggest the garbage bag technique....mix it up, stuff the kite into. 33gal garbage bag, pour in the HK, shake and bake. I rotate and shake the bag for a couple of mins, take a break, the a couple more mins. Have some visqueen laid out...spill the kite onto the plastic, let it dry. Take any left over (there won't be hardly any) HK and do the entry of the spin sock with it. You can buy a 100ml kit and it'll do your kite 3 times (resealable bottles) and and plenty left over for the sock.
Quote from: Somers Kempe on August 07, 2011, 07:47:39 PM
can this stuff travel by plane?
Yup. Not sure how much it costs to ship to you though. I suppose Fedex?
Quote from: Ben Jacobsen on August 05, 2011, 04:45:09 PM
you should do it via paypal, less hassles and lost card issues. But I understand.
I know Ben.... but I've been burned by PayPal twice now. I can't support their horrible customer service. I'd prefer to keep this within the normal confines of my credit card merchant account, for simplicity. It's not that hard to simply place a phone call is it?
Our number is 415-543-7333
Phones calls are soo last century. Text.
Drew, do you happen to have any of this left? If not, do you have a recommendation on what to use instead?
Quote from: Michelle Lee on February 12, 2013, 02:05:34 PM
Drew, do you happen to have any of this left? If not, do you have a recommendation on what to use instead?
I have some left at the loft. We bought a lot of it when it went under.
Also use McLube but I don't think it is as good
We are nearly out of Homenkol and we're remodeling the office so I want to get rid of extra stuff.
25ml kits we're $49 (does one kite)....we're now selling 3 of them for $99.
100ml kits are $125.
USPS shipping is $9 (48 state)
We take M/C, VISA, and Amex.