Author Topic: Mainsail clam cleats  (Read 3501 times)

Peter Bauer

  • Class Member
  • Active
  • *
  • Posts: 35
Mainsail clam cleats
« on: October 09, 2016, 04:17:28 PM »
Can someone tell me what size clam cleats are used for halyards on a mark3 boat? 

Dave Nickerson

  • Extremely Active
  • Posts: 347
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2016, 09:30:26 AM »
CL222 is on the bottom of my spare.  APS shows them as C222.  About $10.
Viper #208 - Noank, CT

Peter Bauer

  • Class Member
  • Active
  • *
  • Posts: 35
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2016, 12:28:38 PM »
Thanks Dave!  mine are shot.

Justin Scott

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 1386
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2016, 11:26:52 AM »
They are a bloody PITA to replace and wear out much too quickly. There has to be a better way to keep our mainsails up.
Viper - Mambo Kings
Right Coast Refreshments Committee

Darren Gilbert

  • Extremely Active
  • Posts: 525
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2016, 06:23:33 PM »
Any thoughts on adding a simple horn cleat?
Hull #194 'BLACK SHEEP'
Location: London, Ontario, Canada
Join the Great Lakes Facebook Group @ https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/510430029009814/

Somers Kempe

  • Class Member
  • Very Active
  • *
  • Posts: 154
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2016, 03:01:14 PM »
Have put up with those clam cleats for too long.  Next boat will have a horn cleat.    Of course we could then argue about the right way to tie the halyard to the cleat...  :)
Viper 640 #262 - "Smokin" - Bermuda

Mike Thompson

  • Class Member
  • Class Member
  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 10
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 07:31:10 PM »
My cleats are shot as well, and will be replaced over the winter.  A couple questions:

1) Justin Scott says replacing is a PITA.  Anything special I should watch out for?
2) Seriously thinking about replacing the lower cleat with a horn.  Any reason why I shouldn't?  Does that violate a Class rule?
#116  Zamboni
Nepean Sailing Club, Ottawa, Canada
(Great Lakes Region)

Dave Nickerson

  • Extremely Active
  • Posts: 347
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2016, 08:30:57 AM »
Class rules can be found here and they are an easy read.
http://www.viper640.org/technical/rules/

The quick answer to your question is horn cleats are fine

"8.4 The main halyard cleats must be at or near the base of the mast and may be of any type. "
Viper #208 - Noank, CT

Peter Beardsley

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 1043
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2016, 09:19:21 AM »
I have a cam cleat on a swivel (miniature version of the spin halyard headknocker) that Ron Pletsch installed for us in Sarasota. There was some work involved on his end to back it inside the mast to ensure that it'd be durable but so far, so good - definitely easier to use.  Doesn't slip.  A little harder to remove the compass bracket for trailering but the mast cover still fits over it.  That said, there's no reason to install it until the old cleats or block start shredding. 
Larchmont YC Fleet
Viper 269 "Great Scott!"
Formerly Viper 222 "Ghost Panda" and Viper 161 "Vicious Panda"

Jason Hyerstay

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 370
  • Streetwise - Viper 640 #195
    • Lake Champlain Yacht Club
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2016, 09:20:03 AM »
I used a 40mm Harken block with attached cam cleat. Big improvement.
Jason Hyerstay - Streetwise - Viper 640 #195 - Lake Champlain Yacht Club, Shelburne, Vermont, USA, http://lcyc.info/racing/viper_640

Nick Ward

  • Class Member
  • Active
  • *
  • Posts: 68
    • Proper Villain
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2016, 02:05:26 PM »
People using the cam cleat on a swivel, did you remove the other clam cleats?

Nick
Proper Villain #165

Peter Beardsley

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 1043
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2016, 03:59:38 PM »
Yes, minimize holes in mast by reusing existing holes as much as possible.  That said, you will end up making new holes and not filling all of them.  Regardless, you should always be pulling your main halyard up outside any cleat (better for halyard and for cleat, esp. with the clam cleats though) and only pulling up the last inch or two through the cleat, and you should rinse the cleats with fresh water regularly (a commonly missed spot during boat cleaning). 
Larchmont YC Fleet
Viper 269 "Great Scott!"
Formerly Viper 222 "Ghost Panda" and Viper 161 "Vicious Panda"

Darren Gilbert

  • Extremely Active
  • Posts: 525
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2016, 07:50:58 AM »
Hey Peter - Do you know what size the swivel block and cleat is on your boat?  Any pictures available?

Do you find it catches on anything else at the base of the mast?  I have my spin sock on the port side already so that might help.
Hull #194 'BLACK SHEEP'
Location: London, Ontario, Canada
Join the Great Lakes Facebook Group @ https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/510430029009814/

Jason Hyerstay

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 370
  • Streetwise - Viper 640 #195
    • Lake Champlain Yacht Club
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2016, 08:09:55 AM »
My block is just shackled to the same attachment as the old tiny block.
Jason Hyerstay - Streetwise - Viper 640 #195 - Lake Champlain Yacht Club, Shelburne, Vermont, USA, http://lcyc.info/racing/viper_640

Peter Beardsley

  • Class Member
  • Extremely Active
  • *
  • Posts: 1043
Re: Mainsail clam cleats
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 09:46:05 AM »
I do not have a photo, sorry.  It's like you'd expect though - nothing too tricky on the exterior, looks like the system for the spin halyard except for the main halyard and mounted right side up with a smaller fitting. 
Larchmont YC Fleet
Viper 269 "Great Scott!"
Formerly Viper 222 "Ghost Panda" and Viper 161 "Vicious Panda"